1 00:00:35,350 --> 00:00:33,790 how's it going higher side shatters 2 00:00:37,959 --> 00:00:35,360 drinking a little drink smoking a little 3 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:37,969 smoke from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carl 4 00:00:42,220 --> 00:00:40,010 wood hot off the heels of our 100th 5 00:00:43,090 --> 00:00:42,230 episode one of my favorite projects I've 6 00:00:44,860 --> 00:00:43,100 ever worked on 7 00:00:47,110 --> 00:00:44,870 please keep showing that to your friends 8 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:47,120 I'm so proud of that one and everything 9 00:00:51,220 --> 00:00:49,489 really I mean I am in a great place the 10 00:00:54,009 --> 00:00:51,230 listeners are phenomenal we are growing 11 00:00:55,479 --> 00:00:54,019 more every day I say the only reason THC 12 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:55,489 doesn't have a million listeners is 13 00:00:58,299 --> 00:00:56,690 because a million people haven't heard 14 00:01:00,309 --> 00:00:58,309 of us yet but we are getting there 15 00:01:03,009 --> 00:01:00,319 thanks to you guys and thanks to the 16 00:01:04,180 --> 00:01:03,019 amazing guests today is definitely one 17 00:01:06,730 --> 00:01:04,190 of those shows with knowledge that 18 00:01:08,830 --> 00:01:06,740 anyone and everyone should have and can 19 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:08,840 benefit from because we all hear these 20 00:01:12,460 --> 00:01:10,250 stories of websites selling our 21 00:01:14,140 --> 00:01:12,470 information software companies creating 22 00:01:16,210 --> 00:01:14,150 government backdoors into the products 23 00:01:18,010 --> 00:01:16,220 we use on a daily basis and we're seeing 24 00:01:20,230 --> 00:01:18,020 the beginnings of an era where a person 25 00:01:22,210 --> 00:01:20,240 like URI is dragged to the courts are 26 00:01:24,850 --> 00:01:22,220 worse for an unsavory tweet a 27 00:01:26,770 --> 00:01:24,860 controversial status or an early copy of 28 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:26,780 the wolf of Wall Street none of us are 29 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:28,730 happy about this but what can we do but 30 00:01:32,470 --> 00:01:30,650 shrug our shoulders and hope to just get 31 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:32,480 by on being a small fish in a giant 32 00:01:36,820 --> 00:01:34,970 digital ocean but how dependable as that 33 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:36,830 the shadowy elite and their worker bees 34 00:01:41,290 --> 00:01:39,650 are building better nets all the time so 35 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:41,300 why just sit there vulnerable and 36 00:01:44,500 --> 00:01:42,890 waiting for the inevitable day when the 37 00:01:46,150 --> 00:01:44,510 chickens come home to roost when the 38 00:01:47,530 --> 00:01:46,160 tools exist to keep the government from 39 00:01:49,630 --> 00:01:47,540 no one you have any business with 40 00:01:51,370 --> 00:01:49,640 chickens at all now there's a reason 41 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:51,380 you've only heard whispers of the Deep 42 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:53,330 Web but there's an entire parallel 43 00:01:57,610 --> 00:01:55,730 internet out there beneath the polished 44 00:01:59,710 --> 00:01:57,620 public surface where we find Facebook 45 00:02:02,200 --> 00:01:59,720 and Twitter a darker place where even 46 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:02,210 Google and Bing dare not tread a place 47 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:03,770 where staying anonymous reigned supreme 48 00:02:07,930 --> 00:02:06,170 in an infinite network of black markets 49 00:02:09,460 --> 00:02:07,940 underground websites and the information 50 00:02:11,710 --> 00:02:09,470 they don't want you to know about and 51 00:02:14,140 --> 00:02:11,720 today we've got a man who's an expert in 52 00:02:15,849 --> 00:02:14,150 the deep web internet cybersecurity and 53 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:15,859 counter-surveillance and the covering of 54 00:02:18,550 --> 00:02:17,810 ones digital tracks he goes by the name 55 00:02:20,350 --> 00:02:18,560 of con ray 56 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:20,360 Jagr he's the author of a book called 57 00:02:24,610 --> 00:02:23,090 deep web secrecy and security which is 58 00:02:26,199 --> 00:02:24,620 really all I could find out about the 59 00:02:29,589 --> 00:02:26,209 guy and that's how you know he's good 60 00:02:31,690 --> 00:02:29,599 Conrad my man welcome to THC hey Greg 61 00:02:34,089 --> 00:02:31,700 thank you so much for having me yeah 62 00:02:35,530 --> 00:02:34,099 it's a real pleasure I think a lot of 63 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:35,540 people have concerns with their online 64 00:02:40,900 --> 00:02:38,330 safety from some of those things I 65 00:02:42,790 --> 00:02:40,910 mentioned but they also don't want to 66 00:02:44,350 --> 00:02:42,800 seem paranoid but I guess let's start 67 00:02:46,990 --> 00:02:44,360 with identifying the problem what are 68 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:47,000 some of the areas where people on the 69 00:02:49,780 --> 00:02:48,290 surface web they're just not being 70 00:02:52,090 --> 00:02:49,790 careful enough like what are some of the 71 00:02:54,190 --> 00:02:52,100 ramifications of that well quite frankly 72 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:54,200 I think we should all be paranoid we 73 00:02:57,580 --> 00:02:55,730 should be very very scared indeed 74 00:02:59,259 --> 00:02:57,590 because I mean on one level we've had a 75 00:03:02,620 --> 00:02:59,269 lot of publicity about the National 76 00:03:04,449 --> 00:03:02,630 Security Agency and Britain's GCHQ you 77 00:03:06,550 --> 00:03:04,459 know monitoring all of our emails you 78 00:03:08,770 --> 00:03:06,560 know getting in some of our computers we 79 00:03:11,470 --> 00:03:08,780 actually should worry about cyber 80 00:03:13,660 --> 00:03:11,480 criminals because frankly everybody on 81 00:03:16,449 --> 00:03:13,670 the planet uses the Internet is frankly 82 00:03:17,949 --> 00:03:16,459 a target and there's a lot of things we 83 00:03:20,620 --> 00:03:17,959 can do I mean they're gonna come at us 84 00:03:22,870 --> 00:03:20,630 primarily through our email I within 85 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:22,880 last 10 minutes or so I have various 86 00:03:27,390 --> 00:03:24,650 security products on my computer 87 00:03:31,150 --> 00:03:27,400 it just went Bing somebody sent me 88 00:03:33,370 --> 00:03:31,160 purportedly from my bank an email about 89 00:03:35,770 --> 00:03:33,380 updating my status with them and that 90 00:03:38,349 --> 00:03:35,780 was a complete fake and phony if I 91 00:03:40,420 --> 00:03:38,359 falling for that one that if easily 92 00:03:41,710 --> 00:03:40,430 planted spyware and slide my machine 93 00:03:44,590 --> 00:03:41,720 they would have found all my passwords 94 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:44,600 and my bank details if I'd be so foolish 95 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:46,489 as to leave them sort of in the clear 96 00:03:50,140 --> 00:03:48,650 inside the machine so on that level we 97 00:03:51,610 --> 00:03:50,150 should really worry about cyber 98 00:03:53,259 --> 00:03:51,620 criminals and then it just moves on 99 00:03:55,509 --> 00:03:53,269 there's so many people I have an 100 00:03:57,250 --> 00:03:55,519 interest in knowing what we're doing you 101 00:04:00,250 --> 00:03:57,260 know all the way from advertising 102 00:04:02,050 --> 00:04:00,260 agencies people that collect data for I 103 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:02,060 know presidential campaigns you know 104 00:04:05,890 --> 00:04:04,010 voting rights and all the rest of it we 105 00:04:08,259 --> 00:04:05,900 need to concern ourselves in every 106 00:04:10,420 --> 00:04:08,269 single level and frankly everybody needs 107 00:04:11,849 --> 00:04:10,430 to wake up and really just tighten up 108 00:04:15,430 --> 00:04:11,859 the things they do on the internet 109 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:15,440 mm-hmm yeah man I've read I read your 110 00:04:19,900 --> 00:04:17,410 book and I got several interesting 111 00:04:22,930 --> 00:04:19,910 little factoids from it I mean mainly 112 00:04:24,610 --> 00:04:22,940 it's that 1,600 people are added to the 113 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:24,620 terrorist watch list daily which is 114 00:04:28,750 --> 00:04:26,810 concerning but even if you're not saying 115 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:28,760 anything controversial online just by 116 00:04:32,140 --> 00:04:30,770 visiting Twitter there are 5,000 117 00:04:33,820 --> 00:04:32,150 companies that have paid 118 00:04:36,250 --> 00:04:33,830 good money to be able to latch on and 119 00:04:37,750 --> 00:04:36,260 track you and Facebook it's over 8,000 120 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:37,760 companies that have access to you and 121 00:04:41,470 --> 00:04:39,770 those are just the big ones I mean it 122 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:41,480 there's no signs that show that this 123 00:04:43,690 --> 00:04:43,130 kind of activity is gonna slow in the 124 00:04:46,260 --> 00:04:43,700 future 125 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:46,270 no I frankly if anything it will grow 126 00:04:52,870 --> 00:04:50,450 you know I mean advertising aside you 127 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:52,880 know people might wonder how websites 128 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:55,130 like Twitter or whatever make money well 129 00:05:00,190 --> 00:04:58,010 they need money by sharing selling your 130 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:00,200 information to all sorts of people and 131 00:05:03,970 --> 00:05:02,450 we should really worry about that on one 132 00:05:05,310 --> 00:05:03,980 level it is really boring and 133 00:05:07,630 --> 00:05:05,320 inconvenient you know to be 134 00:05:09,340 --> 00:05:07,640 micro-targeted with advertising but 135 00:05:12,250 --> 00:05:09,350 equally you know once they start knowing 136 00:05:14,290 --> 00:05:12,260 things about you I know it just gets out 137 00:05:16,150 --> 00:05:14,300 and about and who knows what people will 138 00:05:18,370 --> 00:05:16,160 do with that information plus we also 139 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:18,380 know that the government piggy backs are 140 00:05:23,110 --> 00:05:20,810 on this kind of data particularly the 141 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:23,120 data is collected by mobile phone apps 142 00:05:28,780 --> 00:05:27,290 smartphone apps yeah I know phones are 143 00:05:30,130 --> 00:05:28,790 going to be more and more concerning 144 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:30,140 because they don't have a lot of 145 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:32,690 security and yet they're being able to 146 00:05:36,190 --> 00:05:34,610 do more and more things so they're 147 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:36,200 becoming these little mini computers 148 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:39,050 without much of the security or at least 149 00:05:42,050 --> 00:05:40,370 it's just something that people aren't 150 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:42,060 thinking about 151 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:44,370 it's the fastest growing area for cyber 152 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:46,770 criminals and also for intelligence 153 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:49,050 agencies and law enforcement almost 154 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:51,090 everybody now has got some kind of smart 155 00:05:57,020 --> 00:05:54,080 cell phone and very few people actually 156 00:05:58,730 --> 00:05:57,030 bother to install the most basic 157 00:06:01,730 --> 00:05:58,740 security measures I was at a conference 158 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:01,740 last week and doing a class in 159 00:06:05,930 --> 00:06:03,450 cybersecurity and I asked people to put 160 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:05,940 their hands up how many people had just 161 00:06:11,540 --> 00:06:08,730 basic anti spyware are on their phones 162 00:06:14,090 --> 00:06:11,550 or even in the computers so few people 163 00:06:16,130 --> 00:06:14,100 put their hands up it's alarming when 164 00:06:17,540 --> 00:06:16,140 you think that this stuff is free you 165 00:06:19,190 --> 00:06:17,550 don't have to pay for it and you're 166 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:19,200 better off getting some of the free and 167 00:06:23,930 --> 00:06:21,510 he's spoiler um there's no good reason 168 00:06:26,330 --> 00:06:23,940 not to be doing this yeah 169 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:26,340 there's not but in terms of cyber 170 00:06:31,910 --> 00:06:28,650 security what are some of the most 171 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:31,920 important practices that the layman 172 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:35,210 should be introducing into their online 173 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:38,130 repertoire okay well one of the big 174 00:06:43,010 --> 00:06:41,010 things is is called a drive-by download 175 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:43,020 you know there you are you're you know 176 00:06:48,140 --> 00:06:46,170 maybe on your phone and you know someone 177 00:06:50,030 --> 00:06:48,150 tweaks you and says oh look there's a 178 00:06:53,060 --> 00:06:50,040 really interesting story on this website 179 00:06:55,430 --> 00:06:53,070 here and you follow that link and maybe 180 00:07:00,410 --> 00:06:55,440 it's a spoof website and it's contained 181 00:07:02,420 --> 00:07:00,420 it contains a lot of you know in the way 182 00:07:04,070 --> 00:07:02,430 that you visit almost any web site they 183 00:07:06,170 --> 00:07:04,080 will put plant a cookie inside your 184 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:06,180 computer yeah well it's the same 185 00:07:10,490 --> 00:07:08,400 techniques that people use to plant 186 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:10,500 spyware in your computers so you know 187 00:07:14,660 --> 00:07:12,690 you'll be sent off to you know a phony 188 00:07:17,900 --> 00:07:14,670 website and before you know it your 189 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:17,910 computer's infected equally they've got 190 00:07:22,910 --> 00:07:20,610 smarter than that and they can now input 191 00:07:25,490 --> 00:07:22,920 this the spyware technology inside 192 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:25,500 legitimate websites so you might visit 193 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:27,690 somewhere that's completely in an ok 194 00:07:32,930 --> 00:07:30,090 website but for an advertising another 195 00:07:35,090 --> 00:07:32,940 means they can then insert malware into 196 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:35,100 your computer this is called up watering 197 00:07:39,530 --> 00:07:37,650 holder tag now how do we know about this 198 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:39,540 how do we know this is even happening to 199 00:07:44,690 --> 00:07:42,000 us when we're visiting a web site but 200 00:07:46,190 --> 00:07:44,700 there's various programs simple little 201 00:07:47,930 --> 00:07:46,200 free apps that you can install in your 202 00:07:50,660 --> 00:07:47,940 browser and I highly recommend you use 203 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:50,670 Firefox and you install these and it 204 00:07:55,220 --> 00:07:52,770 will alert you the instant somebody 205 00:07:55,820 --> 00:07:55,230 tries to plant anything in your computer 206 00:07:58,850 --> 00:07:55,830 and 207 00:08:01,370 --> 00:07:58,860 it costs nothing huh interesting 208 00:08:03,290 --> 00:08:01,380 so man how how important is something 209 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:03,300 like making a strong password I hear all 210 00:08:07,310 --> 00:08:04,770 the time that passwords are weak from 211 00:08:09,230 --> 00:08:07,320 people who dabble in hacking but what 212 00:08:12,350 --> 00:08:09,240 techniques should people be putting into 213 00:08:15,050 --> 00:08:12,360 their passwords okay so what not to do 214 00:08:17,180 --> 00:08:15,060 what not to do is use any word you can 215 00:08:19,220 --> 00:08:17,190 find in the dictionary they use any 216 00:08:20,930 --> 00:08:19,230 dates memorable dates don't use your 217 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:20,940 mother's maiden name because if 218 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:22,890 someone's that interested in you and 219 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:24,690 you've got a Facebook page they probably 220 00:08:28,370 --> 00:08:26,490 see your mother on there figure out her 221 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:28,380 maiden name and incorporate that into 222 00:08:32,450 --> 00:08:29,730 the cracking techniques for your 223 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:32,460 password what do you do okay this is 224 00:08:38,990 --> 00:08:34,770 really simple and I love to teach this 225 00:08:44,810 --> 00:08:39,000 to people um if you if you can remember 226 00:08:48,110 --> 00:08:44,820 say the opening line of a poem of a 227 00:08:49,550 --> 00:08:48,120 favorite book or a pop song if you can 228 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:49,560 remember that you can remember a 229 00:08:53,540 --> 00:08:51,090 password I mean I'll give you an example 230 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:53,550 okay and very simple ones lovely 231 00:08:58,490 --> 00:08:55,770 introduction to a book Jane Austen's 232 00:09:00,490 --> 00:08:58,500 Pride and Prejudice okay and it begins 233 00:09:02,930 --> 00:09:00,500 with it is a truth universally 234 00:09:05,450 --> 00:09:02,940 acknowledged that a single man in 235 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:05,460 possession of a good fortune must be in 236 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:06,210 want of a wife 237 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:08,850 now anybody with half a brain could 238 00:09:14,330 --> 00:09:11,490 remember that you might wonder why what 239 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:14,340 you do is you take the initial word from 240 00:09:19,310 --> 00:09:16,410 initial letter from every word in that 241 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:19,320 opening paragraph and that is your 242 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:21,330 password if you can remember that you've 243 00:09:26,150 --> 00:09:23,610 now got a string of meaningless letters 244 00:09:28,190 --> 00:09:26,160 and that when they try and crack your 245 00:09:30,740 --> 00:09:28,200 password using a thing called brute 246 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:30,750 force when they run dictionaries up 247 00:09:35,150 --> 00:09:33,810 against your password that will not 248 00:09:38,090 --> 00:09:35,160 trigger anything because it's 249 00:09:39,650 --> 00:09:38,100 meaningless jumble of letters now if I 250 00:09:41,810 --> 00:09:39,660 can remember that which I easily can 251 00:09:43,550 --> 00:09:41,820 that's the basis of my password I'll put 252 00:09:46,670 --> 00:09:43,560 some up for a lowercase in it maybe put 253 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:46,680 a number in it or two and maybe stick in 254 00:09:51,970 --> 00:09:48,930 a cup of smiley faces or something that 255 00:09:55,010 --> 00:09:51,980 then becomes an unbreakable password 256 00:09:56,750 --> 00:09:55,020 yeah man that actually is a pretty smart 257 00:10:00,980 --> 00:09:56,760 tip I like that I'm probably gonna start 258 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:00,990 using that really and it's so important 259 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:03,570 for you know for looking your your phone 260 00:10:09,140 --> 00:10:07,890 or your laptop particularly if you're 261 00:10:11,420 --> 00:10:09,150 using something like gee 262 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:11,430 now hotmail any of these services 263 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:13,770 wouldn't really recommend you do but you 264 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:15,330 know lots of people do and they won't 265 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:18,570 stop necessarily don't give a simple 266 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:20,490 password something like that you can 267 00:10:24,620 --> 00:10:22,590 easily remember it and in a sense I find 268 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:24,630 it kind of fun but I know how to do this 269 00:10:30,110 --> 00:10:26,970 and I can easily tap that into a 270 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:30,120 keyboard and it amuses me and I know it 271 00:10:36,260 --> 00:10:32,010 will block most people including me in 272 00:10:37,700 --> 00:10:36,270 this say yeah man it is a weird world 273 00:10:39,620 --> 00:10:37,710 out there now I mean when I think about 274 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:39,630 the way governments and the privileged 275 00:10:43,820 --> 00:10:41,970 corporations are using the what what you 276 00:10:46,250 --> 00:10:43,830 call the surface web the internet we all 277 00:10:47,810 --> 00:10:46,260 know it's kind of exactly what they do 278 00:10:49,550 --> 00:10:47,820 in the real world I mean our leaders 279 00:10:51,530 --> 00:10:49,560 give us entertainment and shiny new 280 00:10:53,540 --> 00:10:51,540 electronic toys and finely tuned 281 00:10:54,950 --> 00:10:53,550 air-conditioning in exchange for looking 282 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:54,960 the other way when they invade a country 283 00:10:59,330 --> 00:10:57,210 or lock some people up in Guantanamo Bay 284 00:11:01,220 --> 00:10:59,340 I mean sure it's bad but we got a good 285 00:11:03,050 --> 00:11:01,230 thing going here so we let them do kind 286 00:11:04,460 --> 00:11:03,060 of whatever they want and the internet 287 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:04,470 is kind of the same way we allow the 288 00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:07,050 abuses to go on because we love Netflix 289 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:08,760 and we love Facebook and it we don't 290 00:11:12,620 --> 00:11:11,010 want that to get interrupted and also I 291 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:12,630 don't think people take it seriously you 292 00:11:17,930 --> 00:11:15,330 know I mean the often-repeated line is I 293 00:11:19,790 --> 00:11:17,940 have nothing to hide therefore I have 294 00:11:21,110 --> 00:11:19,800 nothing to fear well it doesn't even 295 00:11:23,270 --> 00:11:21,120 matter whether you've got to hide 296 00:11:24,710 --> 00:11:23,280 anything or not we're looking at if you 297 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:24,720 take law enforcement intelligence 298 00:11:29,630 --> 00:11:26,970 agencies you're dealing with people who 299 00:11:32,270 --> 00:11:29,640 are hyper suspicious you know they can 300 00:11:34,220 --> 00:11:32,280 misconstrue anything you know from very 301 00:11:36,140 --> 00:11:34,230 simple activities you know let's say you 302 00:11:37,610 --> 00:11:36,150 watch a film about terrorism I don't 303 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:37,620 know something like that you think wow 304 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:39,690 that's really interesting I like to look 305 00:11:42,980 --> 00:11:41,010 a little bit deeper into this subject 306 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:42,990 you start looking into terrorism online 307 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:46,050 and hey presto suddenly you've come to 308 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:48,050 the intentional death of the authorities 309 00:11:52,580 --> 00:11:50,370 and before you know it you might find 310 00:11:54,770 --> 00:11:52,590 yourself on an airline no-fly list and 311 00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:54,780 suddenly all your contacts and friends 312 00:11:59,450 --> 00:11:57,360 are being followed - or conversely one 313 00:12:01,340 --> 00:11:59,460 of your friends made research something 314 00:12:03,470 --> 00:12:01,350 they might want to I don't know take up 315 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:03,480 shooting and buy a rifle or something 316 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:05,250 and buy some ammunition so spending a 317 00:12:09,290 --> 00:12:06,870 lot of time looking at different weapons 318 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:09,300 online and then suddenly they become of 319 00:12:13,340 --> 00:12:11,250 interest and then because they're of 320 00:12:15,050 --> 00:12:13,350 interest they find their contacts book 321 00:12:16,460 --> 00:12:15,060 they look in that and then you're in 322 00:12:18,140 --> 00:12:16,470 their contacts book you may have done 323 00:12:20,810 --> 00:12:18,150 nothing but you're caught up in a web 324 00:12:22,340 --> 00:12:20,820 suddenly and then bang you know you're 325 00:12:23,390 --> 00:12:22,350 potentially in trouble and with their 326 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:23,400 suspicious 327 00:12:26,690 --> 00:12:24,450 you don't know what they're gonna 328 00:12:28,430 --> 00:12:26,700 misconstrue from your life mm-hmm and 329 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:28,440 I've also had guests that have talked 330 00:12:33,820 --> 00:12:31,530 about the fact that the FBI you know and 331 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:33,830 their counterterrorism investigations 332 00:12:37,910 --> 00:12:35,850 they're only really concerned with 333 00:12:40,070 --> 00:12:37,920 prosecutions or with charges they're not 334 00:12:42,050 --> 00:12:40,080 really concerned with clearing your name 335 00:12:44,390 --> 00:12:42,060 and a lot of people are actually getting 336 00:12:45,830 --> 00:12:44,400 caught up in these nets that really have 337 00:12:48,530 --> 00:12:45,840 no place be in there I mean didn't we 338 00:12:50,570 --> 00:12:48,540 just see there was a guy kid a few years 339 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:50,580 ago who is trying to make a creative way 340 00:12:54,110 --> 00:12:52,740 of saying he was gonna party hard when 341 00:12:56,330 --> 00:12:54,120 he came to America and he said he was 342 00:12:59,480 --> 00:12:56,340 gonna destroy America he ended up having 343 00:13:00,650 --> 00:12:59,490 his vacation ruined no absolutely 344 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:00,660 there's a British guy you know he's 345 00:13:04,130 --> 00:13:01,050 using 346 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:04,140 typical London slang you know instead of 347 00:13:08,930 --> 00:13:06,090 saying I'm gonna have a jolly good time 348 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:08,940 he said this ladies I'm gonna destroy 349 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:11,670 him destroy America yeah well yeah you 350 00:13:15,380 --> 00:13:13,410 know yes we got no the Department of 351 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:15,390 Homeland Security we're ready and 352 00:13:19,490 --> 00:13:17,250 waiting for him when he hit Los Angeles 353 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:19,500 Airport you know and the thing is they 354 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:23,250 knew everything about him except what he 355 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:26,610 was actually talking about yeah isn't 356 00:13:32,150 --> 00:13:29,130 that ironic but man it's bad out there 357 00:13:33,950 --> 00:13:32,160 no question so let's kind of dive into 358 00:13:36,650 --> 00:13:33,960 this thing called the Deep Web I mean 359 00:13:38,150 --> 00:13:36,660 that's really what is sexy and 360 00:13:39,380 --> 00:13:38,160 mysterious about this thing I think 361 00:13:41,330 --> 00:13:39,390 that's what people want to know about 362 00:13:46,490 --> 00:13:41,340 how would you describe the Deep Web to 363 00:13:48,050 --> 00:13:46,500 the uninitiated okay well on the face of 364 00:13:50,630 --> 00:13:48,060 it the Deep Web itself is actually 365 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:50,640 rather double because what it is it's 366 00:13:55,370 --> 00:13:53,040 all the areas of the internet that are 367 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:55,380 not indexed by the search engines like 368 00:14:00,380 --> 00:13:58,290 Google if you think Google Yahoo Alta 369 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:00,390 Vista their job is to throw up the most 370 00:14:04,130 --> 00:14:02,490 popular results for people if you look 371 00:14:06,410 --> 00:14:04,140 at the top you know the top questions 372 00:14:08,930 --> 00:14:06,420 asked of Google and any given week it's 373 00:14:11,060 --> 00:14:08,940 and they're celebrities and sporting 374 00:14:14,570 --> 00:14:11,070 events all the rest of it people don't 375 00:14:16,580 --> 00:14:14,580 want deep technical details so Google 376 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:16,590 only skim the surface hence the term 377 00:14:21,770 --> 00:14:19,410 surface web I guess things beneath the 378 00:14:23,930 --> 00:14:21,780 surface I know it might be really 379 00:14:25,970 --> 00:14:23,940 technical staff I learned that could be 380 00:14:28,940 --> 00:14:25,980 all sorts of things they don't get 381 00:14:31,820 --> 00:14:28,950 caught up within the searches so in a 382 00:14:35,450 --> 00:14:31,830 nutshell if Google aren't looking at it 383 00:14:36,889 --> 00:14:35,460 it's Deep Web an example would be Google 384 00:14:39,470 --> 00:14:36,899 would tell you of the exist 385 00:14:41,809 --> 00:14:39,480 of a database or an archive somewhere 386 00:14:44,629 --> 00:14:41,819 but it doesn't look inside that database 387 00:14:48,350 --> 00:14:44,639 or archive so what's inside that is deep 388 00:14:49,970 --> 00:14:48,360 wet however the thing about the Deep Web 389 00:14:51,739 --> 00:14:49,980 it's huge 390 00:14:53,540 --> 00:14:51,749 people really don't know how big it is 391 00:14:56,929 --> 00:14:53,550 maybe it's five thousand times larger 392 00:15:00,199 --> 00:14:56,939 than the regular surface web but within 393 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:00,209 this Deep Web or an unknown number of 394 00:15:05,090 --> 00:15:02,730 hidden networks and this is the app this 395 00:15:08,780 --> 00:15:05,100 is the area that is strange you know 396 00:15:11,359 --> 00:15:08,790 it's dangerous in some areas you know if 397 00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:11,369 you can easily run into arms dealers 398 00:15:15,980 --> 00:15:13,920 drug dealers slave traders Peter fast 399 00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:15,990 all manner of unpleasant people down 400 00:15:22,009 --> 00:15:19,110 there equally there are people like 401 00:15:25,249 --> 00:15:22,019 journalists that will use deep web tools 402 00:15:27,319 --> 00:15:25,259 on hidden networks to communicate with 403 00:15:30,439 --> 00:15:27,329 whistleblowers and dissidents aid 404 00:15:32,059 --> 00:15:30,449 agencies in repressive regimes who want 405 00:15:33,499 --> 00:15:32,069 to communicate with the amongst 406 00:15:35,150 --> 00:15:33,509 themselves and with their you know 407 00:15:37,249 --> 00:15:35,160 they're based back in Washington and all 408 00:15:38,749 --> 00:15:37,259 where have you would use these tools 409 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:38,759 that they cannot that cannot be 410 00:15:44,210 --> 00:15:41,490 intercepted now so the really cool part 411 00:15:46,970 --> 00:15:44,220 of the Deep Web which frankly is just a 412 00:15:49,610 --> 00:15:46,980 massive information that most people are 413 00:15:52,579 --> 00:15:49,620 not interested in the interesting part 414 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:52,589 or the hidden networks and one way you 415 00:15:57,169 --> 00:15:54,569 can look into this you know if if you 416 00:16:00,410 --> 00:15:57,179 fully we'll see in the movie Raiders of 417 00:16:02,929 --> 00:16:00,420 the Lost Ark well it in the final scene 418 00:16:05,660 --> 00:16:02,939 of Raiders Lost Ark they hide the Ark of 419 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:05,670 the Covenant it's like a crate and then 420 00:16:10,100 --> 00:16:07,529 behind the crate inside an enormous 421 00:16:12,769 --> 00:16:10,110 warehouse full of identical crates yeah 422 00:16:14,689 --> 00:16:12,779 you see it's a matter of scale but if 423 00:16:16,869 --> 00:16:14,699 you expand that think of the Deep Web is 424 00:16:19,460 --> 00:16:16,879 of it warehouse for the crate but I 425 00:16:21,889 --> 00:16:19,470 magnitude of I don't know what billions 426 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:21,899 times larger than that down in the 427 00:16:27,319 --> 00:16:24,809 Uncharted depths of the of the internet 428 00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:27,329 this is where people hide and they can 429 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:29,839 hide extremely effectively and do so 430 00:16:34,249 --> 00:16:32,370 yeah man it's so interesting it's kind 431 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:34,259 of like Google keeps you on Main Street 432 00:16:38,090 --> 00:16:35,850 but if you want to go down the alleys 433 00:16:40,309 --> 00:16:38,100 then you need to get on the deeper 434 00:16:42,379 --> 00:16:40,319 whatever yeah but I mean all sorts of 435 00:16:44,299 --> 00:16:42,389 things things that you might not you 436 00:16:46,699 --> 00:16:44,309 know might not be popular things to 437 00:16:49,189 --> 00:16:46,709 discuss I don't know anything 438 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:49,199 there are bulletin boards that are chat 439 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:51,020 rooms there are all sorts of things 440 00:16:54,970 --> 00:16:52,940 and down all these hidden networks one 441 00:16:56,380 --> 00:16:54,980 of which is the torque Network next 442 00:16:58,750 --> 00:16:56,390 we'll talk about that in a moment and 443 00:17:01,329 --> 00:16:58,760 you can discuss anything and do it with 444 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:01,339 complete anonymity in a way that you 445 00:17:08,020 --> 00:17:03,170 cannot describe and discuss things with 446 00:17:09,340 --> 00:17:08,030 anonymity on the surface web mm-hmm yeah 447 00:17:10,780 --> 00:17:09,350 I mean another thing I learned out of 448 00:17:13,179 --> 00:17:10,790 your book that was pretty fascinating 449 00:17:15,579 --> 00:17:13,189 was that they're considered to be two 450 00:17:17,740 --> 00:17:15,589 billion people using the surface web but 451 00:17:20,590 --> 00:17:17,750 less than half a million are on the Deep 452 00:17:22,510 --> 00:17:20,600 Web which sounds so crazy like 5,000 453 00:17:25,540 --> 00:17:22,520 times more data but fewer people than 454 00:17:27,100 --> 00:17:25,550 live in Denver Colorado absolutely very 455 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:27,110 few people are using it but I think more 456 00:17:32,290 --> 00:17:29,570 and more people are waking up to the 457 00:17:33,850 --> 00:17:32,300 possibilities of using using a hidden 458 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:33,860 network like the tour 459 00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:36,410 it's called tour The Onion Router that's 460 00:17:41,770 --> 00:17:38,720 what it stands for onion because it's a 461 00:17:43,930 --> 00:17:41,780 multi-layered encryption process I don't 462 00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:43,940 really get to tech to technical boring 463 00:17:48,970 --> 00:17:46,640 here but you know The Onion Router was 464 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:48,980 actually set up with funds by the US 465 00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:51,530 Navy at the start of millennium as a 466 00:17:57,130 --> 00:17:53,600 secure means of communication amongst 467 00:17:58,900 --> 00:17:57,140 themselves now the US government also 468 00:18:01,450 --> 00:17:58,910 have been putting money into this 469 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:01,460 because they realize it helps human 470 00:18:05,049 --> 00:18:03,170 rights activist free speech advocates 471 00:18:07,860 --> 00:18:05,059 around the world and there's a kind of 472 00:18:09,730 --> 00:18:07,870 irony here I'm sure it's been you know 473 00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:09,740 register with most of you most people 474 00:18:13,660 --> 00:18:12,080 listening now but you know you can use 475 00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:13,670 these facilities and they're happy for 476 00:18:21,130 --> 00:18:16,400 people to use them and they will fund it 477 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:21,140 now partly funded and as a result as a 478 00:18:24,490 --> 00:18:22,970 journalist aid workers free speech 479 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:24,500 people are using this all over the place 480 00:18:30,850 --> 00:18:27,290 however because it's so sharp it's so 481 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:30,860 clever so hard to be tracked on the Tor 482 00:18:34,810 --> 00:18:32,690 network that you will find money 483 00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:34,820 launderers and you know arms dealers and 484 00:18:39,250 --> 00:18:36,710 drugs dealers and all the rest of it I 485 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:39,260 think most self-respecting serious 486 00:18:45,610 --> 00:18:42,290 criminals don't communicate using 487 00:18:49,090 --> 00:18:45,620 Facebook or Twitter or their email they 488 00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:49,100 use Deep Web tools right and like for 489 00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:51,200 people who are trying to think of things 490 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:52,400 they might have heard of that's where 491 00:18:55,570 --> 00:18:54,410 the WikiLeaks full archive is I think 492 00:18:57,370 --> 00:18:55,580 that's also where of course I'm sure 493 00:19:00,220 --> 00:18:57,380 people have heard of Silk Road both of 494 00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:00,230 these websites are archives are are 495 00:19:04,930 --> 00:19:02,960 located deep within the dark web right 496 00:19:07,150 --> 00:19:04,940 yeah I mean the 497 00:19:09,580 --> 00:19:07,160 Silk Road which has been brought down 498 00:19:11,530 --> 00:19:09,590 and it's now come back again under a 499 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:11,540 slightly different form and that's still 500 00:19:16,570 --> 00:19:13,850 running a lot of the wiki leaks me too 501 00:19:19,540 --> 00:19:16,580 you will find on the so called surface 502 00:19:21,220 --> 00:19:19,550 web however you will find things on the 503 00:19:23,050 --> 00:19:21,230 Deep Web and it won't take you very long 504 00:19:25,090 --> 00:19:23,060 to find you know to find these places 505 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:25,100 you're fine dieter and you're fine 506 00:19:30,130 --> 00:19:27,050 sensitive documents before WikiLeaks 507 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:30,140 even gets their hands on them you know 508 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:32,570 in the book I give various sort of like 509 00:19:36,670 --> 00:19:34,850 starting points entry entry points into 510 00:19:40,300 --> 00:19:36,680 the you know the the onion 511 00:19:42,940 --> 00:19:40,310 you know Network and one thing is called 512 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:42,950 the hidden wiki and it just lists all 513 00:19:48,430 --> 00:19:45,290 sorts of places where people will dump 514 00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:48,440 tons of information just occurs you know 515 00:19:51,910 --> 00:19:50,510 whistleblowers they can't don't trust 516 00:19:53,410 --> 00:19:51,920 giving it to the press they certainly 517 00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:53,420 don't trust going to whistleblower 518 00:19:58,120 --> 00:19:55,760 organizations and they will upload an 519 00:20:00,400 --> 00:19:58,130 amazing amount of documents certainly 520 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:00,410 from a journalist it's likely interested 521 00:20:04,150 --> 00:20:02,810 in life generally you can pass through 522 00:20:06,190 --> 00:20:04,160 some of this stuff and have your mind 523 00:20:08,740 --> 00:20:06,200 blown right yeah that's kind of what's 524 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:08,750 most interesting to me but let's tell 525 00:20:12,550 --> 00:20:10,490 people kind of how this works 526 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:12,560 traditional internet you know you you 527 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:15,890 log on you have an IP address it's kind 528 00:20:22,150 --> 00:20:18,650 of tied to your computer so you're 529 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:22,160 fairly traceable you leave a big 530 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:24,050 footprint on the surface web so you 531 00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,930 mentioned tor The Onion Router like what 532 00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:28,400 tell people what that is is that that's 533 00:20:33,550 --> 00:20:29,990 like a client right you have you 534 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:33,560 download that and then what happens okay 535 00:20:40,270 --> 00:20:36,170 so what you simply do is you download 536 00:20:42,220 --> 00:20:40,280 the Tor Firefox browser free of charge 537 00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:42,230 I do recommend in the book that you you 538 00:20:45,370 --> 00:20:43,460 know play around with the settings just 539 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:45,380 a little bit nothing complicated take 540 00:20:50,910 --> 00:20:48,170 about a minute and then suddenly you 541 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:50,920 launch this browser and you can be 100% 542 00:20:55,660 --> 00:20:53,210 anonymous on the Internet your internet 543 00:20:57,610 --> 00:20:55,670 service provider what perhaps know that 544 00:20:58,380 --> 00:20:57,620 you've entered the Tor network but what 545 00:21:00,670 --> 00:20:58,390 you've done 546 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:00,680 subsequently will you do subsequently if 547 00:21:05,230 --> 00:21:02,890 they can't see cuz you're down 548 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:05,240 effectively a hidden tunnel a secret 549 00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:07,250 tunnel and then you know you may be 550 00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:08,960 sitting there in Seattle or somewhere 551 00:21:13,210 --> 00:21:11,510 accessing the Internet but do anyone 552 00:21:15,340 --> 00:21:13,220 watching you when you pop up somewhere 553 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:15,350 else - I'll say Google the question it 554 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:17,330 may look like you're in Helsinki Finland 555 00:21:20,620 --> 00:21:18,410 they've got no console 556 00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:20,630 of who you are or way well you're quite 557 00:21:24,910 --> 00:21:22,910 anonymous and also using this browser 558 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:24,920 allows you to branch off deeper down 559 00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,530 into the Tor network itself this 560 00:21:30,970 --> 00:21:29,360 particular hidden network where you can 561 00:21:33,010 --> 00:21:30,980 visit all manner of weird bulletin 562 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:33,020 boards you can visit you know the the 563 00:21:37,890 --> 00:21:35,210 latest incarnation of the Silk Road and 564 00:21:40,180 --> 00:21:37,900 so on and so forth right and so what's 565 00:21:42,340 --> 00:21:40,190 off-putting for a lot of people is that 566 00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,350 there is no general search engine 567 00:21:45,850 --> 00:21:44,000 because nothing is indexed or monitored 568 00:21:47,710 --> 00:21:45,860 down there so you've got to kind of know 569 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:47,720 an exact website and you can't just put 570 00:21:52,750 --> 00:21:51,410 in like tickets.com well it's not onion 571 00:21:54,340 --> 00:21:52,760 everything's dyed onion but you can't 572 00:21:56,140 --> 00:21:54,350 just put in like tickets dot onion or 573 00:21:58,540 --> 00:21:56,150 cool art dot onion and hope to get lucky 574 00:22:00,250 --> 00:21:58,550 because all the web addresses are just 575 00:22:02,890 --> 00:22:00,260 kind of random letters and numbers right 576 00:22:04,930 --> 00:22:02,900 it's in teeth I oh no you can't do that 577 00:22:06,730 --> 00:22:04,940 what you need to do and again keep in a 578 00:22:08,590 --> 00:22:06,740 mention in the book but in the book I do 579 00:22:11,620 --> 00:22:08,600 give various entry points there's the 580 00:22:13,390 --> 00:22:11,630 hidden wiki which lists all sorts of 581 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:13,400 things is fairest I wrecked trees that 582 00:22:17,770 --> 00:22:15,650 people have put together these are user 583 00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,780 edited directories so if somebody finds 584 00:22:21,820 --> 00:22:19,280 something interesting on it say they 585 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:21,830 starter in a chat chat group on on a 586 00:22:24,970 --> 00:22:22,730 particular subject 587 00:22:27,550 --> 00:22:24,980 they were then this that in one of these 588 00:22:31,390 --> 00:22:27,560 directories so the thing to do is launch 589 00:22:33,940 --> 00:22:31,400 a Firefox browser cut and paste in safe 590 00:22:35,620 --> 00:22:33,950 from the book of some other source the 591 00:22:38,020 --> 00:22:35,630 address for the hidden wiki and hey 592 00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:38,030 presto you've got an entry point and it 593 00:22:41,980 --> 00:22:39,710 will give you so many different places 594 00:22:44,140 --> 00:22:41,990 to go off in Explorer and I thought you 595 00:22:46,150 --> 00:22:44,150 know the first date you know any of us 596 00:22:48,190 --> 00:22:46,160 listening here weakness it found the 597 00:22:51,070 --> 00:22:48,200 internet you know you imagine you know 598 00:22:53,740 --> 00:22:51,080 it was an amazing thing of the separated 599 00:22:54,850 --> 00:22:53,750 yeah you start looking at something and 600 00:22:56,290 --> 00:22:54,860 before you know it you're looking at 601 00:22:58,810 --> 00:22:56,300 something in tiny different and you're 602 00:23:03,340 --> 00:22:58,820 going on this amazing journey it's like 603 00:23:05,410 --> 00:23:03,350 that but stranger much much swing that 604 00:23:07,450 --> 00:23:05,420 sounds so crazy can you give us some 605 00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:07,460 examples of the stuff you found down 606 00:23:10,780 --> 00:23:08,990 there that might kind of surprise people 607 00:23:14,050 --> 00:23:10,790 that that they'd even have access to 608 00:23:15,910 --> 00:23:14,060 from their home computer well um yeah I 609 00:23:20,110 --> 00:23:15,920 mean just I mean simple things I mean 610 00:23:23,260 --> 00:23:20,120 you can buy any kinds of identity you 611 00:23:26,610 --> 00:23:23,270 could buy US passports Canadian 612 00:23:31,529 --> 00:23:26,620 passports you can you can have people 613 00:23:33,869 --> 00:23:31,539 send you documents let's say you want to 614 00:23:35,609 --> 00:23:33,879 take out a new credit card this is all 615 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:35,619 the bad stuff by the way they will send 616 00:23:39,629 --> 00:23:37,330 you documents that say your you know you 617 00:23:41,489 --> 00:23:39,639 you're paying for various utilities in a 618 00:23:43,739 --> 00:23:41,499 particular address which you're not and 619 00:23:45,869 --> 00:23:43,749 the stuff looks so genuine it will 620 00:23:48,029 --> 00:23:45,879 convince pretty much most banks to allow 621 00:23:51,779 --> 00:23:48,039 them to give you a credit card Wow 622 00:23:53,789 --> 00:23:51,789 equally equally you can buy you can buy 623 00:23:56,849 --> 00:23:53,799 people's credit card details that people 624 00:23:59,279 --> 00:23:56,859 have stolen and go off and buy things if 625 00:24:01,889 --> 00:23:59,289 you if you have that of that Bend you 626 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:01,899 can buy firearms a lot cheaper then you 627 00:24:07,019 --> 00:24:04,210 can actually buy in the stores which I 628 00:24:10,619 --> 00:24:07,029 found pretty shocking there's drugs 629 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:10,629 there's weird sex stuff and you know 630 00:24:14,999 --> 00:24:12,190 then there's activism all manner of 631 00:24:18,269 --> 00:24:15,009 activism just dismissed ik discussions 632 00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,279 going on about all men amongst mm-hmm 633 00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:20,080 man you know when I was getting ready 634 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:21,849 for this show I watched a few video 635 00:24:26,159 --> 00:24:24,129 walkthroughs on YouTube and they showed 636 00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:26,169 some pretty gnarly websites man there 637 00:24:30,690 --> 00:24:28,809 was a one called quick kill where you 638 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:30,700 can hire from a network of anonymous 639 00:24:35,639 --> 00:24:33,129 assassins they charge 20 grand for any 640 00:24:37,469 --> 00:24:35,649 normal civilian that what you need half 641 00:24:40,169 --> 00:24:37,479 up front half when the job is complete 642 00:24:41,729 --> 00:24:40,179 and if you want to kill a cop or a 643 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:41,739 journalist well that'll cost you a 644 00:24:44,999 --> 00:24:43,450 hundred grand and that was one of the 645 00:24:47,310 --> 00:24:45,009 crazier things I saw and it's kind of 646 00:24:49,259 --> 00:24:47,320 funny because there's a lot of mystique 647 00:24:50,729 --> 00:24:49,269 and conspiracy around deaths like 648 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:50,739 michael hastings or some of these 649 00:24:54,210 --> 00:24:52,570 high-level bankers and people like me 650 00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:54,220 always want to get to an answer but 651 00:24:57,570 --> 00:24:55,929 there it is you know monsanto wants to 652 00:25:00,089 --> 00:24:57,580 kill a few journalists that are a PR 653 00:25:02,099 --> 00:25:00,099 problem well half a million bucks which 654 00:25:04,289 --> 00:25:02,109 is like nothing to them i assume 655 00:25:06,419 --> 00:25:04,299 companies like monsanto might even have 656 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:06,429 a quick hill punch card it's so crazy 657 00:25:09,479 --> 00:25:08,049 i'm gonna tell you there's so many 658 00:25:10,859 --> 00:25:09,489 people advertising it there must be 659 00:25:12,749 --> 00:25:10,869 something in there you know you can't 660 00:25:14,669 --> 00:25:12,759 take out an advertisement or have a 661 00:25:17,609 --> 00:25:14,679 listing in the in together of white 662 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:17,619 pages but my god these people do list 663 00:25:22,349 --> 00:25:19,809 their services and you know you 664 00:25:24,269 --> 00:25:22,359 communicate with them using an encrypted 665 00:25:26,669 --> 00:25:24,279 thing generally that people use a thing 666 00:25:28,349 --> 00:25:26,679 called PGP which is pretty good privacy 667 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:28,359 and it's a means of completely 668 00:25:33,629 --> 00:25:30,609 encrypting your communications backwards 669 00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:33,639 and forwards anybody who was able to 670 00:25:36,899 --> 00:25:35,590 intercept just couldn't read what you 671 00:25:39,210 --> 00:25:36,909 were what you weren't you know writing 672 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:39,220 or receiving so that works very very 673 00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:42,369 well they would use the untraceable 674 00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:45,460 deep web currency the Bitcoin 675 00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:47,860 and pay for things that way and there's 676 00:25:51,180 --> 00:25:49,510 no comeback there's no trade there's no 677 00:25:52,740 --> 00:25:51,190 way of tracing you know I'm not sitting 678 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:52,750 here recommending anybody pop off a 679 00:25:57,810 --> 00:25:55,330 judge or a journalist or whoever but you 680 00:26:00,240 --> 00:25:57,820 know in terms if boy is this interesting 681 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:00,250 to look at my god is fascinating I mean 682 00:26:04,110 --> 00:26:02,289 really and you can destroy all sorts of 683 00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:04,120 people's lives and for example it's 684 00:26:08,370 --> 00:26:05,860 supposing you know you're you thought 685 00:26:11,490 --> 00:26:08,380 your partner was cheating and you go 686 00:26:13,889 --> 00:26:11,500 contact the Russian underground and for 687 00:26:16,350 --> 00:26:13,899 a modest amount of money they will 688 00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,360 hoodwink your partner into accepting I 689 00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:18,640 don't know an update for the his or her 690 00:26:23,130 --> 00:26:20,950 cell phone and their get inside the 691 00:26:24,810 --> 00:26:23,140 phone and then they you can turn on the 692 00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:24,820 webcam or watch them see where they are 693 00:26:28,830 --> 00:26:26,110 up to you can follow them around 694 00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:28,840 wherever they go using the GPS facility 695 00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:30,760 on the phone and they do it on the cheap 696 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:33,100 because they also want access to you 697 00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:35,049 know that person's bank account details 698 00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:36,760 and no doubt will go in and suck all the 699 00:26:41,549 --> 00:26:40,000 information up themselves to okay if you 700 00:26:42,930 --> 00:26:41,559 want to bring down a website let's say 701 00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:42,940 you have a beef against a particular 702 00:26:48,779 --> 00:26:45,760 company for example you can pay for a 703 00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:48,789 dedicated denial of services tank using 704 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:50,830 the Russian underground and it's only a 705 00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:54,010 hundred dollars a day which I'm losing 706 00:27:01,529 --> 00:26:59,919 value yeah man that is value so like 707 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:01,539 what if the president were to flip this 708 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:03,730 almighty Internet kill switch we hear 709 00:27:06,659 --> 00:27:05,289 about would that affect the deep web too 710 00:27:09,389 --> 00:27:06,669 I mean you have to have an Internet 711 00:27:11,730 --> 00:27:09,399 service provider right you you need some 712 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:11,740 means of accessing the Internet but you 713 00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:13,690 know I recommend people who are you know 714 00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:16,000 journalists and and and and and you know 715 00:27:21,149 --> 00:27:18,640 secret bloggers and people like this who 716 00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:21,159 needs real anonymity to keep themselves 717 00:27:27,450 --> 00:27:24,100 safe I recommend you get a USB thumb 718 00:27:29,399 --> 00:27:27,460 drive and you install the Tor Firefox 719 00:27:31,769 --> 00:27:29,409 browser on that and a few other simple 720 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:31,779 programs all free and that you can just 721 00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:34,090 go anywhere slot that into any machine 722 00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:36,820 PC or Mac and you're going to leave no 723 00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,500 trace at all you don't even need your 724 00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:40,720 own internet service provider you can go 725 00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:43,000 to a cyber cafe or a public library or 726 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:44,500 you're going to slip into someone's 727 00:27:48,419 --> 00:27:45,970 someone's computer when they're not even 728 00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:48,429 looking if you were that devious and you 729 00:27:51,779 --> 00:27:49,929 can do anything like and there's no 730 00:27:54,419 --> 00:27:51,789 comeback this virtually nowhere they can 731 00:27:55,649 --> 00:27:54,429 find you right I mean that was kind of 732 00:27:58,019 --> 00:27:55,659 one of my questions like for somebody 733 00:27:59,220 --> 00:27:58,029 who just was curious and wanted to 734 00:28:01,200 --> 00:27:59,230 download tor 735 00:28:04,289 --> 00:28:01,210 hop on there maybe they adjust the 736 00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:04,299 settings to your suggested preferences 737 00:28:09,030 --> 00:28:07,030 are they automatically safe I mean are 738 00:28:10,530 --> 00:28:09,040 they still kind of in danger like could 739 00:28:13,049 --> 00:28:10,540 they get in trouble just for accessing 740 00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:13,059 the Deep Web yeah in the in the states I 741 00:28:17,549 --> 00:28:14,799 think they keep an eye out for people 742 00:28:19,980 --> 00:28:17,559 who are accessing tool okay I assume 743 00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:19,990 they're up to no good there's a very 744 00:28:24,780 --> 00:28:22,240 simple way around that you can use a 745 00:28:27,330 --> 00:28:24,790 virtual private network some are free 746 00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:27,340 some you might want to pay for and as 747 00:28:31,169 --> 00:28:28,299 soon as you connect to the internet 748 00:28:33,539 --> 00:28:31,179 you're using their service now your 749 00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:33,549 internet service provider can tell that 750 00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:35,950 you're using this service but once 751 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:38,200 you're inside their service they can't 752 00:28:42,030 --> 00:28:39,850 see what you're doing so from that point 753 00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:42,040 onwards then you access the Tor network 754 00:28:46,530 --> 00:28:44,260 and they haven't got a clue that you're 755 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:46,540 on tour Never Say Never I wouldn't say 756 00:28:52,770 --> 00:28:49,330 anything is 100% secure or safe and 757 00:28:54,510 --> 00:28:52,780 never trust any one thing 100% I always 758 00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:54,520 recommend people use two or three 759 00:28:57,900 --> 00:28:56,230 different things at the time mix and 760 00:29:00,810 --> 00:28:57,910 match different tools and techniques and 761 00:29:03,180 --> 00:29:00,820 technologies by doing that you are 762 00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:03,190 making it exceptionally difficult for 763 00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:04,900 anyone who's interested in knowing what 764 00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:05,380 you're doing 765 00:29:09,659 --> 00:29:07,240 making exceptionally difficult for them 766 00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:09,669 to find out mm-hmm yeah I mean I've 767 00:29:15,090 --> 00:29:13,120 heard of VPN that works for people who 768 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:15,100 use like BitTorrent or The Pirate Bay to 769 00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:17,049 download music and movies which you know 770 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:18,820 I have no problem with my show is free 771 00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:20,650 why shouldn't every show be free foot I 772 00:29:24,299 --> 00:29:22,780 mean it is fairly risky people worry 773 00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,309 about getting a letter from their 774 00:29:28,590 --> 00:29:26,559 internet service provider or the Motion 775 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:28,600 Picture Association of America I mean 776 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:30,970 are there safer ways of pirating on the 777 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:33,730 Deep Web oh yeah for sure I mean yeah 778 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:35,530 again come back to the questions what is 779 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:37,210 the deal where these basically and 780 00:29:42,020 --> 00:29:38,770 things that are not being indexed by 781 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:42,030 Google let's say well there's the Usenet 782 00:29:48,570 --> 00:29:45,250 newsgroups I said okay Usenet newsgroups 783 00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:48,580 now this predates the worldwide web by 784 00:29:55,650 --> 00:29:53,350 about 10 years and if you imagine 785 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:55,660 ginormous bulletin board on every 786 00:30:01,380 --> 00:29:58,330 conceivable subject if you want to have 787 00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,390 porcupines as pets or you're looking for 788 00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:03,520 jobs in aviation or you're a fan of 789 00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:06,790 Jackie Chan or any damn thing there is a 790 00:30:11,220 --> 00:30:08,830 posting there's a board down there 791 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:11,230 devoted to that one subject now if you 792 00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:12,450 wanted to down 793 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:14,460 the latest blockbuster movies in blu-ray 794 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:17,370 and not being monitored have no one know 795 00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,410 you're doing it you just go to the 796 00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,600 relevant the relevant bulletin board 797 00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:23,520 down there and people are uploading 798 00:30:29,030 --> 00:30:27,000 films and you can just download them and 799 00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:29,040 it goes to everything books music world 800 00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:32,220 music anything you can think of someone 801 00:30:38,390 --> 00:30:34,910 who's kindly uploaded there to share I 802 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:38,400 mean that's pretty awesome it's and you 803 00:30:41,390 --> 00:30:39,810 know for people who might not have seen 804 00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:41,400 it I mean they're they're not big on 805 00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:42,870 aesthetics down there it's not very 806 00:30:49,220 --> 00:30:46,230 graphics heavy is it no it's not at all 807 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:49,230 it's very sort of you know primitive as 808 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:51,090 it were but there's some wonderful you 809 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:54,090 know a newsgroup readers now so you put 810 00:30:58,670 --> 00:30:56,370 your cursor over I don't know let's say 811 00:31:00,740 --> 00:30:58,680 you're interested in particular types of 812 00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,750 dogs or something you put your cursor 813 00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:02,640 over a posting a particular type of dog 814 00:31:06,860 --> 00:31:04,590 you don't know what it is a little 815 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:06,870 thumbnail image of that dog will come up 816 00:31:10,010 --> 00:31:08,490 so you know it's there you can see 817 00:31:12,140 --> 00:31:10,020 things you just learn to operate 818 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:12,150 slightly differently and also to you 819 00:31:14,270 --> 00:31:13,170 know if you think you're not gonna be 820 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:14,280 interested in something you just 821 00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:16,650 download the first part of it what's the 822 00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:19,080 first ten minutes see that it's fine and 823 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:21,240 then download the rest of it and you 824 00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,710 join them all together with a particular 825 00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:24,480 program that game I listed in the book 826 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:27,360 and easy to find out anyone who looks 827 00:31:31,820 --> 00:31:28,650 into this will learn this stuff within 828 00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:31,830 10-15 minutes it is really really basic 829 00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,020 but also it doesn't slow things down 830 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:37,200 yeah and you can download a movie in 831 00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:38,850 like 10 minutes or something you've got 832 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:40,950 a reasonable connection why don't you 833 00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:42,330 take you two hours to watch it you 834 00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:45,720 download it in 10 minutes and you know 835 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:47,430 in just discovering things you know I 836 00:31:51,770 --> 00:31:49,410 have an interest in world music you know 837 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:51,780 music for Mali or where where have you 838 00:31:55,460 --> 00:31:53,730 either and just generally I don't find 839 00:31:59,480 --> 00:31:55,470 this stuff you know just on the regular 840 00:32:02,120 --> 00:31:59,490 internet but I can visit the world world 841 00:32:04,460 --> 00:32:02,130 music in an element of the news groups 842 00:32:06,860 --> 00:32:04,470 and those people who say oh like you're 843 00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:06,870 interested in this I recommend that and 844 00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:08,310 before you know it you've made lots of 845 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:09,840 friends that you introduced they've 846 00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:11,370 introduced you to music you're 847 00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:13,740 introducing them to music very much like 848 00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:15,030 the regular internet it just works 849 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:16,740 slightly differently and it's just a 850 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:19,770 marvelous way of sharing files nice yeah 851 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:21,450 I mean it sounds great of course there 852 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:23,970 are a lot of really dark and evil things 853 00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:26,010 down there but 854 00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:28,140 what do you what do you think if someone 855 00:32:32,150 --> 00:32:30,840 needed if someone needed an organ but 856 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:32,160 was having a hard time getting on a 857 00:32:36,770 --> 00:32:33,690 donors list you think they could find 858 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:36,780 help on the Deep Web yeah sure they 859 00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,650 could on tool oh my and then I hate to 860 00:32:46,940 --> 00:32:42,480 even guess at this but they probably get 861 00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:46,950 one to order oh man I mean that actually 862 00:32:52,550 --> 00:32:49,470 brings up another interesting dark 863 00:32:55,220 --> 00:32:52,560 corner of the Deep Web that was on one 864 00:32:56,990 --> 00:32:55,230 of these walkthrough videos I saw other 865 00:32:59,360 --> 00:32:57,000 than the various forums where people are 866 00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:59,370 asking scary things like how to make 867 00:33:03,140 --> 00:33:01,080 chloroform and looking for kidnapping 868 00:33:05,270 --> 00:33:03,150 techniques which is a little uncouth 869 00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:05,280 they also pulled up a site for an 870 00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:08,430 organization that has four warehouses at 871 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:10,710 an undisclosed location available for 872 00:33:16,010 --> 00:33:13,890 unregulated human study you can hate you 873 00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:16,020 can pay to have like dark experiments 874 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:17,580 done on real people which you don't know 875 00:33:21,340 --> 00:33:18,810 where they get them but they'll run 876 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:21,350 tests and publicly post the lab results 877 00:33:27,410 --> 00:33:25,650 yeah honey do be suspicious in nature so 878 00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:27,420 I wonder if sometimes people are having 879 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:29,070 you know putting my leg or having a bit 880 00:33:33,380 --> 00:33:30,810 of a joke there I'm not entirely sure 881 00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:33,390 that these things happen but I guess if 882 00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:35,460 you can think of it someone someone is 883 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:36,990 doing it and if there's money to be made 884 00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:39,510 they're certainly doing it yeah I mean 885 00:33:44,930 --> 00:33:42,600 it's wild but obviously Pandora's box is 886 00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:44,940 open to any extreme I guess to get into 887 00:33:49,820 --> 00:33:48,120 some of the more positives like I try to 888 00:33:51,530 --> 00:33:49,830 find ways for the little guy to get 889 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:51,540 ahead in this backwards world and of 890 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:53,850 course everyone knows now that people 891 00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:55,050 who were early adopters and 892 00:33:58,550 --> 00:33:56,940 entrepreneurs on the surface web were 893 00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,560 able to make millions and billions of 894 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:00,240 dollars by getting there first but is 895 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:02,850 there any opportunity in that same sense 896 00:34:06,670 --> 00:34:04,530 with getting into the Deep Web or is it 897 00:34:09,350 --> 00:34:06,680 just like a different kind of animal I 898 00:34:11,180 --> 00:34:09,360 don't know I mean this again we're down 899 00:34:13,310 --> 00:34:11,190 to human nature here you know someone 900 00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:13,320 will always find a way and a means of 901 00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:16,080 making money out of the stranger than 902 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:18,300 the unusual and for sure there are you 903 00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:20,970 know the blatantly obvious ones are the 904 00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:23,250 illegal ones you know but there must be 905 00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:25,110 all manner of services that people can 906 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:27,270 provide you know slightly gray areas or 907 00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,330 what have you and was Bitcoin I mean who 908 00:34:33,590 --> 00:34:31,919 knows how valuable it will become but 909 00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,600 that was a golden ticket for a lot of 910 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:35,760 people who were using it two years ago 911 00:34:39,310 --> 00:34:37,649 oh it's do this I mean when it first 912 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:39,320 came out a few years back 913 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:42,890 a Bitcoin was you know it cost you 20 914 00:34:47,110 --> 00:34:45,530 cents I think you look more recently 915 00:34:49,390 --> 00:34:47,120 than me how much is it now enough for 916 00:34:53,110 --> 00:34:49,400 one from Bitcoin right now it's hovering 917 00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,120 around $600 usually they're shocking if 918 00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,000 you had just bought $100 back then you 919 00:35:00,190 --> 00:34:58,640 would be so wealthy now yeah you know 920 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:00,200 and you know who knows where bitcoins 921 00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:01,850 gonna go I think there's an enormous 922 00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:04,190 future you shouldn't just be seen as any 923 00:35:07,450 --> 00:35:05,960 some kind of investment you know I 924 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:07,460 didn't get in on the ground floor I 925 00:35:11,980 --> 00:35:09,290 maybe got in on the mezzanine as it were 926 00:35:13,630 --> 00:35:11,990 and what my my minor investment is now 927 00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:13,640 worth quite a bit but I'm not seeing it 928 00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:16,190 in terms of as a financial investment 929 00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,950 I'm looking at ways in thinking of ways 930 00:35:23,710 --> 00:35:20,240 that's going to be used in the future 931 00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:23,720 you know we all get bombarded with junk 932 00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:26,510 email for example now someone's coming 933 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:29,990 up with a notion whereby to receive you 934 00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:32,930 know to somebody sends me an email right 935 00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,380 they have to pay me a microscopic a 936 00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:38,960 portion of a Bitcoin bitcoins are 937 00:35:43,570 --> 00:35:41,270 infinitely divisible which means you 938 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:43,580 know can have zero point zero zero zero 939 00:35:49,450 --> 00:35:47,570 zero zero zero 1 of a Bitcoin now it's 940 00:35:50,650 --> 00:35:49,460 kind of cost nobody yeah anyone who 941 00:35:53,050 --> 00:35:50,660 wants to send me an email it's got a 942 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:53,060 custom nothing however if you're sending 943 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:55,250 out a million spam emails a day it's 944 00:36:00,430 --> 00:35:57,770 gonna add up so you could in theory in 945 00:36:04,570 --> 00:36:00,440 tiny defeat spam email by using the 946 00:36:07,390 --> 00:36:04,580 Bitcoin right yeah it it's it's very 947 00:36:09,460 --> 00:36:07,400 versatile and it's it's so efficient I 948 00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:09,470 mean but people should realize and we 949 00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:11,630 know that central banking and control 950 00:36:15,070 --> 00:36:13,400 over a people's currency is really the 951 00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:15,080 trump card of the elite you know that's 952 00:36:18,910 --> 00:36:16,910 the that's how they keep us under their 953 00:36:21,130 --> 00:36:18,920 thumb they control the mechanism in 954 00:36:23,260 --> 00:36:21,140 which we do all business but Bitcoin 955 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:23,270 operates outside of that and that alone 956 00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:26,330 is tremendous value what it isn't it 957 00:36:30,070 --> 00:36:27,830 doesn't cause us anything you know if 958 00:36:31,420 --> 00:36:30,080 you use your Visa card or PayPal or 959 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:31,430 whatever it's going to constitute to do 960 00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:34,010 that using a Bitcoin won't cost you a 961 00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:37,760 single cent and also it's immediate you 962 00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:39,740 know as fast as an email can be sent and 963 00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:42,080 received it's that fast it's an 964 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:43,580 excellent way of paying for things and 965 00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:44,930 sooner or later people haven't come up 966 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:47,150 with the right apps to use in your smart 967 00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,730 cellphone that will allow you to you 968 00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:51,680 know make immediate purchases you'll be 969 00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:52,380 walking pile 970 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:53,940 the billboard for something you like the 971 00:36:57,230 --> 00:36:55,890 look of this concert coming up you point 972 00:36:59,240 --> 00:36:57,240 you can you point your phone at it 973 00:37:01,819 --> 00:36:59,250 you've made your payment with bitcoins 974 00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:01,829 Bank hey presto numbers that to you know 975 00:37:06,740 --> 00:37:04,980 take a percentage off for you if you're 976 00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:06,750 trying to buy things online how many 977 00:37:11,059 --> 00:37:08,430 times does it go wrong it goes wrong a 978 00:37:13,249 --> 00:37:11,069 lot if we were using Bitcoin and people 979 00:37:16,249 --> 00:37:13,259 devise and they will do defines good 980 00:37:19,069 --> 00:37:16,259 payment systems I just see it's a 981 00:37:22,309 --> 00:37:19,079 marvelous way ahead instantaneous no 982 00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:22,319 middleman and also and you know there's 983 00:37:27,980 --> 00:37:24,750 an awful lot of people for example you 984 00:37:30,769 --> 00:37:27,990 know government agencies monitor all 985 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:30,779 financial transactions you know maybe 986 00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:32,490 you just don't want them to know what 987 00:37:35,569 --> 00:37:34,049 you're spending your money on you know 988 00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:35,579 you doesn't have to be something dodgy 989 00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:37,859 something illegal you just want to keep 990 00:37:43,339 --> 00:37:41,609 the things to yourself all right yeah 991 00:37:44,809 --> 00:37:43,349 man it's it's interesting stuff of 992 00:37:46,789 --> 00:37:44,819 course a lot of people have fears 993 00:37:48,529 --> 00:37:46,799 because when you do keep that power 994 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:48,539 yourself you do have a lot of 995 00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:50,730 responsibility not to lose it we 996 00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,710 consider banks to be generally secure 997 00:37:55,339 --> 00:37:54,000 because they'll hold our funds and we 998 00:37:58,549 --> 00:37:55,349 don't have to really do much about it 999 00:38:01,700 --> 00:37:58,559 but you know we've all seen runs on the 1000 00:38:04,670 --> 00:38:01,710 bank and times when they think they just 1001 00:38:06,769 --> 00:38:04,680 don't have the money so it's good 99% of 1002 00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:06,779 the time but you know for my money I'd 1003 00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:08,910 rather just control control it myself 1004 00:38:14,059 --> 00:38:10,920 you know I trust myself more than n 1005 00:38:16,539 --> 00:38:14,069 trust anyone else no I don't trust 1006 00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:16,549 anyone least of all these double bankers 1007 00:38:20,509 --> 00:38:19,049 no I think it's a great great way of 1008 00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:20,519 doing that you know and you have a 1009 00:38:25,309 --> 00:38:22,619 secure wallet online but you you will 1010 00:38:27,499 --> 00:38:25,319 print out your your code your unique you 1011 00:38:29,779 --> 00:38:27,509 know identifier for the amount of 1012 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:29,789 bitcoins you've got your bit wallet you 1013 00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:31,410 can store that in a physical safe 1014 00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:33,720 somewhere so if your computer went down 1015 00:38:37,759 --> 00:38:35,700 or anything like that you know you've 1016 00:38:38,839 --> 00:38:37,769 always got access to it and if you're 1017 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:38,849 going to put these things on your 1018 00:38:45,049 --> 00:38:40,890 computer don't put it in a folder called 1019 00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:45,059 Bitcoin give it a really fundamental 1020 00:38:49,279 --> 00:38:47,609 boring name that no one's ever going to 1021 00:38:51,890 --> 00:38:49,289 look at you know give it the name of an 1022 00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:51,900 appalling sounding recipe anything and 1023 00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:52,980 people weren't necessarily looking 1024 00:38:56,809 --> 00:38:54,900 inside that and then you can encrypt 1025 00:38:59,059 --> 00:38:56,819 anything anyway within your computer 1026 00:39:01,970 --> 00:38:59,069 very very simple it's lots of free 1027 00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:01,980 programs the simple encryption so you 1028 00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,420 can keep these things very very safe 1029 00:39:08,570 --> 00:39:05,760 yeah definitely better 1030 00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:08,580 I'm sorry so in terms of the deep web 1031 00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:12,270 and the access to it is tore like the 1032 00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:15,000 main thing are there other equivalents 1033 00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:18,510 to tour the this things this free net 1034 00:39:22,370 --> 00:39:20,790 for example I haven't spent a lot of 1035 00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,380 time exploring that but it works in a 1036 00:39:27,830 --> 00:39:25,680 very similar principle there's something 1037 00:39:29,420 --> 00:39:27,840 just basic person-to-person in a file 1038 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:29,430 sharing facilities I mean that 1039 00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:33,090 technically is deep web the whole nature 1040 00:39:38,330 --> 00:39:35,310 I guess of hidden networks is that they 1041 00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:38,340 are hidden and you know maybe you need 1042 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:41,310 an invitation to use them certainly in 1043 00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:44,010 countries like Digital secret societies 1044 00:39:47,780 --> 00:39:46,350 well yeah or you know you're an activist 1045 00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,790 in Iran and you just don't want the 1046 00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:49,440 state to know what you're up to you know 1047 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:52,020 people are using hidden networks purely 1048 00:39:56,660 --> 00:39:53,690 for the input in the Persian language 1049 00:39:58,340 --> 00:39:56,670 mm-hmm and Arthur I've heard that it's 1050 00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,350 like social networks too that are like 1051 00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,480 clones of typical websites like an 1052 00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:02,400 anonymous version of Facebook things 1053 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:05,820 like that oh absolutely yeah there's 1054 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:08,850 complete Twitter cloves this Facebook 1055 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:10,890 clones and the same reason the same way 1056 00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:12,810 that you might use Facebook to I don't 1057 00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:15,720 share files with people share images you 1058 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:17,460 know you it doesn't always have to 1059 00:40:21,530 --> 00:40:19,890 explain who you are and I think many 1060 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:21,540 people have finished they could put far 1061 00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:23,370 too much information up on Facebook or 1062 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:25,980 what-have-you but you can use the 1063 00:40:30,310 --> 00:40:28,050 facilities for sharing the group 1064 00:40:33,020 --> 00:40:30,320 chatting for doing all sorts of things 1065 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:33,030 and and you know this is where the Deep 1066 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:34,890 Web comes into a zone and then the Tor 1067 00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:37,050 network particularly you know we can 1068 00:40:41,930 --> 00:40:39,720 have totally secure chats using just you 1069 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:41,940 know just the basic chat programs that 1070 00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:43,320 you would use ordinarily on your regular 1071 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:46,380 internet there's the web versions you 1072 00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:48,450 know you can send SMS text messages that 1073 00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:50,700 simply cannot be intercepted or read 1074 00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:53,430 unless email systems down there that you 1075 00:40:57,740 --> 00:40:54,960 can use that connect with a regular 1076 00:41:00,080 --> 00:40:57,750 Internet and they just can't intercept 1077 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:00,090 them you know say you're using Gmail and 1078 00:41:03,860 --> 00:41:01,650 the government is interested well how 1079 00:41:06,260 --> 00:41:03,870 many times did you do Google get asked 1080 00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:06,270 by the various government departments to 1081 00:41:11,780 --> 00:41:09,470 hand over information you can use 1082 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:11,790 companies that are based in Switzerland 1083 00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:13,890 and Iceland but they're operating down 1084 00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:16,350 on the Tor network you know they're not 1085 00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:18,270 going to take into consideration you 1086 00:41:22,089 --> 00:41:19,470 know court orders for 1087 00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:22,099 the United States or Canada or Britain 1088 00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:24,900 so that gives you particularly safe and 1089 00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:27,420 also if you're if this in employing the 1090 00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:29,369 form of encryption end-to-end encryption 1091 00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,230 they're not being intercepted in in 1092 00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:33,440 cyberspace because you know got 1093 00:41:37,820 --> 00:41:36,060 organizations like the NSA for example 1094 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:37,830 that they're scouring the internet 1095 00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:40,890 looking for keywords right and these 1096 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:42,420 keywords will not come up because 1097 00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:44,730 they're scrambled yeah I mean that's 1098 00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:46,140 kind of what I was thinking about like 1099 00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,400 that's what really interests me the most 1100 00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:49,440 is the idea of combing through leaked 1101 00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:51,510 documents and sensitive material that 1102 00:41:55,099 --> 00:41:53,190 the government probably has web bot 1103 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:55,109 searching for and taking down anytime 1104 00:41:59,330 --> 00:41:57,210 they appear on the surface web but they 1105 00:42:01,790 --> 00:41:59,340 might just be laying down there waiting 1106 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:01,800 to be exposed yeah and if you wanted to 1107 00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,170 actually put up at your own website that 1108 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:07,200 can't be taken down there's no better 1109 00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:09,450 place to do it than at all and there's 1110 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:11,430 very very simple ways of doing it so you 1111 00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:13,410 know this file stores down there so you 1112 00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:15,660 can store any amount of data you know 1113 00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:17,310 anything you want you can store down 1114 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:18,780 there you've gotta lock it in a box you 1115 00:42:22,010 --> 00:42:20,250 can have it that anybody can read it 1116 00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,020 well if you can use something like 1117 00:42:28,820 --> 00:42:24,240 Photoshop you can actually design a page 1118 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:28,830 and load it up there as a as a as a JPEG 1119 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:30,570 image and there's your website thing 1120 00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:32,730 you've done there in ten minutes you 1121 00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:34,140 know it's not interactive but you maybe 1122 00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:35,910 don't need it to be if you want that 1123 00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:37,980 this file hosting service is down there 1124 00:42:42,859 --> 00:42:40,740 too yeah and a lot of people are talking 1125 00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:42,869 now in terms of the surface web but 1126 00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,520 they're really concerned about is this 1127 00:42:48,970 --> 00:42:47,280 net neutrality stuff and I assume that 1128 00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:48,980 would have no effect on the Deep Web 1129 00:42:52,099 --> 00:42:51,000 absolutely in those at all you know 1130 00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:52,109 here's the thing 1131 00:42:57,230 --> 00:42:55,140 you know that you know with net 1132 00:42:59,420 --> 00:42:57,240 neutrality what we're going to be seeing 1133 00:43:01,089 --> 00:42:59,430 is you know people that Internet service 1134 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:01,099 providers are going to be giving you 1135 00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:03,930 immediate access to services that they 1136 00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:05,880 have a financial interest in and that is 1137 00:43:08,839 --> 00:43:06,960 that they don't have a financial 1138 00:43:10,579 --> 00:43:08,849 interest in they're gonna throttle back 1139 00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:10,589 or actually block totally themselves 1140 00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:12,750 right now which means we're going to be 1141 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:14,760 looking at a kind of corralled Internet 1142 00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:17,730 you know a very limited internet but by 1143 00:43:22,460 --> 00:43:19,710 using just using a virtual private 1144 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:22,470 network you're bypassing automatically 1145 00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,330 using somebody else's servers in another 1146 00:43:29,089 --> 00:43:27,119 country so that stuff does not get 1147 00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:29,099 blocked does not get bottles back and 1148 00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:32,760 the same we're using tor you cannot 1149 00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:33,180 limit 1150 00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,680 says and I think more and more people 1151 00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,960 are waking up to this you know and more 1152 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:38,640 more often than not commercial 1153 00:43:43,309 --> 00:43:40,890 organizations are looking to make us to 1154 00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,319 pay for services until now who have been 1155 00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:45,839 free and I think this is the joy of the 1156 00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:48,150 Internet the ability to share things and 1157 00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,980 all the rest of it and if those things 1158 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:51,599 are being closed off you're gonna be 1159 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:53,130 forcing people underground you're going 1160 00:43:56,839 --> 00:43:54,930 to make people use tor and virtual 1161 00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:56,849 private networks and in the end P we're 1162 00:44:01,069 --> 00:43:58,290 going to find it's much better for them 1163 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:01,079 yeah I mean I find it fascinating I mean 1164 00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:03,210 even just it doesn't take that much to 1165 00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:04,710 learn about it I mean I thought it was 1166 00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:06,420 kind of a daunting task just like I 1167 00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:08,520 thought Bitcoin was a daunting task to 1168 00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:10,710 like two years ago and now I'm kicking 1169 00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,740 myself but I've already found all these 1170 00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,960 little cool tips and tricks and things 1171 00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:18,000 in your book I mean even with our 1172 00:44:21,319 --> 00:44:19,500 communication you've sent me a few 1173 00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:21,329 messages that have self-destructed man 1174 00:44:26,420 --> 00:44:24,420 that's cool yeah absolutely and I find 1175 00:44:27,859 --> 00:44:26,430 these things really funny and they're 1176 00:44:29,420 --> 00:44:27,869 supposing I don't know let's say you're 1177 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:29,430 having a protest about something 1178 00:44:33,020 --> 00:44:31,290 anything could be anything maybe you 1179 00:44:34,849 --> 00:44:33,030 know someone's driving a a toll road 1180 00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:34,859 through the through your village or 1181 00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:36,300 something and every time you complain 1182 00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:39,030 you know the police or private security 1183 00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:40,980 guards are there to break up any kind of 1184 00:44:45,620 --> 00:44:43,140 protest or demonstration what you can 1185 00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:45,630 use these marvelous little tools right 1186 00:44:50,839 --> 00:44:47,849 to send information to people one of my 1187 00:44:52,819 --> 00:44:50,849 favorites is I think old spam mimic now 1188 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:52,829 you know everyone gets all this junk 1189 00:44:57,980 --> 00:44:55,650 email and it's all hello sir you know we 1190 00:44:59,930 --> 00:44:57,990 offer you financial incentive programs 1191 00:45:02,120 --> 00:44:59,940 you know you recommend to us and it's 1192 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:02,130 all kind of broken rubbish English well 1193 00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:04,290 that stuff is not being picked up by the 1194 00:45:07,940 --> 00:45:06,089 NSA because it just you know it's just 1195 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:07,950 there's so much of it well you can 1196 00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,530 actually compose a message that actually 1197 00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:12,720 looks like this junk email when you 1198 00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:14,700 receive this junk email you put it back 1199 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:16,740 through a little device that online and 1200 00:45:21,140 --> 00:45:19,170 it will decode it and it would say you 1201 00:45:23,569 --> 00:45:21,150 know meet at four o'clock on the village 1202 00:45:25,549 --> 00:45:23,579 green or whatever and put to any outside 1203 00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,559 that it's complete junk and they won't 1204 00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:27,359 even be looking at it and you think 1205 00:45:31,099 --> 00:45:29,460 these talks are remarkable we could all 1206 00:45:33,339 --> 00:45:31,109 use these for different things I think 1207 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:33,349 it's they're great and they're free and 1208 00:45:38,589 --> 00:45:36,089 we already know there's plenty of 1209 00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:38,599 evidence to suggest it on websites like 1210 00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:41,250 Facebook and Twitter and even reddit 1211 00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,900 which is considered to be fairly open 1212 00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:45,359 people are censoring posts moderators 1213 00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:47,160 are pulling content 1214 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:49,590 you know on alcohols the subjects but 1215 00:45:53,780 --> 00:45:51,690 when people talk about fracking or GMOs 1216 00:45:56,570 --> 00:45:53,790 or just general rebellion and corruption 1217 00:45:59,570 --> 00:45:56,580 exposing a lot of those things get 1218 00:46:01,490 --> 00:45:59,580 pulled and you know it's it's going that 1219 00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:01,500 direction so the more time you spend on 1220 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:03,990 those networks you're going to have to 1221 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:05,850 realize that the things you see have 1222 00:46:09,380 --> 00:46:08,250 passed through the middleman and yeah I 1223 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:09,390 want to get rid of that middleman you 1224 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:10,530 got to do something different 1225 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:12,330 absolutely and more and more we're gonna 1226 00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:16,410 see examples where you know these these 1227 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:18,420 services like reddit or whatever will be 1228 00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:21,210 seen as publishers and people will be 1229 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:22,440 able to say in the same way that a 1230 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:23,970 newspaper publishes something that's 1231 00:46:28,610 --> 00:46:26,970 libelous that the newspaper the other 1232 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:28,620 people that can be taken to court and 1233 00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,570 sued so I think people are going to use 1234 00:46:36,070 --> 00:46:32,720 that route to start blocking you know 1235 00:46:38,810 --> 00:46:36,080 debates about fracking what-have-you 1236 00:46:40,820 --> 00:46:38,820 that will happen more and more and I 1237 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:40,830 think because of that people will bypass 1238 00:46:44,420 --> 00:46:42,690 those services and then we use bullets 1239 00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:44,430 imports down and the deep web down on 1240 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:46,980 the Tor network when no one is doing any 1241 00:46:51,620 --> 00:46:49,890 monitoring yeah it's cool man I mean 1242 00:46:53,780 --> 00:46:51,630 being well-versed in this stuff are 1243 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:53,790 there any tips you have for the typical 1244 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:55,770 Internet users on the surface web or any 1245 00:46:59,480 --> 00:46:57,330 little things you'd like to see people 1246 00:47:01,880 --> 00:46:59,490 doing that would offer them potential 1247 00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,890 safety that we haven't mentioned well 1248 00:47:05,450 --> 00:47:03,780 yeah I mean this this there's some very 1249 00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:05,460 very basic things I mean first and 1250 00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:08,220 foremost I will change the way we browse 1251 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:10,710 you know I would you know dump say 1252 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:12,930 Microsoft Explorer for example you don't 1253 00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:16,050 think it's safe I would use you know the 1254 00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:19,920 the Firefox Mozilla Firefox browser it's 1255 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:22,980 free it's great it's really fast there's 1256 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:25,050 a whole bunch of add-ons free add-ons 1257 00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,330 that boost your security so when you 1258 00:47:30,830 --> 00:47:28,800 visit a site that's trying to plant a 1259 00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:30,840 cookie in you in your computer it will 1260 00:47:34,550 --> 00:47:32,940 tell you if someone's got a bead on you 1261 00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:34,560 trying to follow you around it will tell 1262 00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:36,630 you if you're visiting a web site that's 1263 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:39,420 perhaps got malicious content it will 1264 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:43,050 warn you before you get there so for 1265 00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:45,330 starters I would use Mozilla Firefox in 1266 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:47,400 the book I give you a list of all the 1267 00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:48,930 free things you can download 1268 00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,780 and add on to Mozilla Firefox that will 1269 00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:53,760 make your browsing really really safe in 1270 00:47:58,940 --> 00:47:56,310 terms of your email I think we need to 1271 00:48:00,760 --> 00:47:58,950 wake up a little bit and you know when 1272 00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:00,770 somebody sends you an email 1273 00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:03,780 and I don't know give you an example a 1274 00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:06,510 little while ago I had an email from my 1275 00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:09,510 friend Phil seemingly from his his gmail 1276 00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:11,730 account and they said hey Connor 1277 00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:14,280 found this amazing picture of you now 1278 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:16,680 first off Phil's not the kind of guy who 1279 00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:18,330 would have lots of amazing pictures of 1280 00:48:24,140 --> 00:48:21,750 me and secondly he's a news cameraman as 1281 00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:24,150 far as I know he's in Syria so I'm sure 1282 00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:25,710 he had better things to do than look at 1283 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:27,960 anybody's photos now what had happened 1284 00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:30,930 was a hacker had just got into his gmail 1285 00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:34,110 account had got into his gmail contacts 1286 00:48:38,570 --> 00:48:36,510 list and they were pretending to be Phil 1287 00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:38,580 and they were sending out all this this 1288 00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,740 is what looked like photographs and you 1289 00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,480 opened them and suddenly you have 1290 00:48:47,060 --> 00:48:44,880 activated the most amazing spyware that 1291 00:48:48,620 --> 00:48:47,070 has got inside your system so we have to 1292 00:48:52,340 --> 00:48:48,630 think very long and hard about what 1293 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:52,350 we're receiving you know if you are in 1294 00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:55,290 any way suspicious you should already 1295 00:49:00,080 --> 00:48:58,050 have free anti spyware and there's no 1296 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:00,090 reason why you shouldn't and I'll give 1297 00:49:05,330 --> 00:49:02,010 you a list of really good ones and then 1298 00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:05,340 all you do is use those to examine the 1299 00:49:09,620 --> 00:49:07,800 attachment and it will tell you if 1300 00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:09,630 there's anything malicious in there so 1301 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:11,160 we should just need to be more 1302 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:13,650 suspicious you know earlier today I was 1303 00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:15,810 saying I got something for Tinley for my 1304 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:17,400 bank and it wasn't for my bank it was 1305 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:19,530 complete rubbish and again if I've 1306 00:49:25,340 --> 00:49:22,410 accepted that or it accepted an update 1307 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:25,350 on waste on my smartphone all these ways 1308 00:49:30,110 --> 00:49:27,210 these ways people get into your system 1309 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:30,120 so for example don't automatically 1310 00:49:34,940 --> 00:49:32,490 accept an update you should update 1311 00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:34,950 manually yourself in your own good time 1312 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:37,200 and do it regularly but don't don't 1313 00:49:40,610 --> 00:49:39,090 automatically assume that you know 1314 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:40,620 things are what they purport to be 1315 00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:44,010 because cybercrime for example is the 1316 00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:46,680 biggest area of crime on the planet I 1317 00:49:50,540 --> 00:49:48,750 mean Clinic but I wake up to that if 1318 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:50,550 nothing else you know and then beyond 1319 00:49:55,070 --> 00:49:52,770 that you've got the law enforcement and 1320 00:49:58,910 --> 00:49:55,080 national security agency with the 1321 00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,920 miserably suspicious minds yeah great 1322 00:50:03,350 --> 00:50:01,440 points wow man this has been a great 1323 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:03,360 show I really love this talk that pretty 1324 00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:05,010 much does it for us thanks for doing it 1325 00:50:08,180 --> 00:50:06,510 I know a lot of people aren't talking 1326 00:50:09,830 --> 00:50:08,190 about this yet so it's a real pleasure I 1327 00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:09,840 mean if anybody wants to dive deeper 1328 00:50:13,940 --> 00:50:11,910 Conrad's deep web Kindle book has 1329 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:13,950 clickable links to a lot of 1330 00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:15,210 rate programs and anonymous 1331 00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,980 communication tools and a ton of more 1332 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:18,960 info would you like to give them any 1333 00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,690 other information before we go well yeah 1334 00:50:27,250 --> 00:50:23,839 I just want to say you know I am NOT a 1335 00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:27,260 technically minded person you know if 1336 00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,790 just this basic things like trying to 1337 00:50:32,810 --> 00:50:31,440 make the VCR work no and I have one 1338 00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:32,820 anymore I couldn't make those things 1339 00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:35,609 work I have kept this book so super 1340 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:38,190 simple we've tested we've tested various 1341 00:50:42,260 --> 00:50:40,170 products on various people free products 1342 00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:42,270 you know technical tools whatever on 1343 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:44,220 various friends and other people and 1344 00:50:48,740 --> 00:50:46,770 anything that people found too confusing 1345 00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:48,750 to set up we have this dump from the 1346 00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:51,089 book so everything is super 1347 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:54,000 straightforward 99% of it is free you 1348 00:50:58,099 --> 00:50:56,130 can choose to pay for some of the stuff 1349 00:51:00,980 --> 00:50:58,109 because we recommend it because we know 1350 00:51:04,099 --> 00:51:00,990 it to be really good but generally 1351 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:04,109 speaking you know it is very simple 1352 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:07,050 anybody if you can send an email if you 1353 00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:09,450 can access Facebook you can take on 1354 00:51:13,849 --> 00:51:11,609 board any of these toasts and tips and 1355 00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,859 technologies and make them work for you 1356 00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:15,839 and operate in such a way that you've 1357 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:17,640 basically given yourself back the 1358 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:19,770 freedom that the internet promised us in 1359 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:20,930 the first place 1360 00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:24,210 great point man is there any way people 1361 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:25,800 can keep up with your writing maybe 1362 00:51:31,940 --> 00:51:28,410 future writings well one thing I do 1363 00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,950 recommend if you do buy the book we all 1364 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:33,359 take regularly because you know 1365 00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:35,250 techniques change this is a constantly 1366 00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:37,950 changing game of cat and mouse if you 1367 00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:40,440 buy the book register and we will send 1368 00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:42,359 you free updates whenever we bring them 1369 00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:45,150 out do have a blog but we're not keeping 1370 00:51:49,970 --> 00:51:47,940 it up to sort of I know it's regular as 1371 00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:49,980 I used to because so many other 1372 00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:52,190 activities going on at the moment now 1373 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:55,200 but no I just register for the book and 1374 00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:56,970 we keep you updated with all sorts of 1375 00:52:01,250 --> 00:51:59,040 information as we learn it and quite 1376 00:52:04,099 --> 00:52:01,260 friendly a vast amount of my time is 1377 00:52:06,140 --> 00:52:04,109 spent exploring new products and reading 1378 00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:06,150 endless security blogs from various 1379 00:52:11,210 --> 00:52:09,300 people who we know to be good so 1380 00:52:13,099 --> 00:52:11,220 basically a shoes distillation of 1381 00:52:16,059 --> 00:52:13,109 everything that's going on put into this 1382 00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:16,069 one book deep web secrecy and security 1383 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:17,640 right on man 1384 00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:19,890 well that does it then very empowering 1385 00:52:25,099 --> 00:52:22,380 very interesting information thanks 1386 00:52:27,319 --> 00:52:25,109 again take care of yourself Conrad Greg 1387 00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:27,329 thank you so much for having me and stay 1388 00:52:31,940 --> 00:52:28,110 safe 1389 00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:31,950 I'll try all right people Konrad Jaeger 1390 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:34,950 tons of information a very important THC 1391 00:52:41,330 --> 00:52:38,130 I would say and maybe even more so in 1392 00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:41,340 the coming 10 20 years so thanks 1393 00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:42,900 everyone please donate to the money bomb 1394 00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:45,660 to keep the good THC x rollin please 1395 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:47,700 share the show and help it grow find me 1396 00:52:51,590 --> 00:52:49,650 on Facebook or Twitter and add now I 1397 00:52:53,330 --> 00:52:51,600 have a little app that allows listeners 1398 00:52:55,070 --> 00:52:53,340 to leave a voice message right on the 1399 00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:55,080 website it would be great to hear some 1400 00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:56,700 weird stories or theories from the 1401 00:53:01,700 --> 00:52:59,010 people so think about that until next